I like Easton Press - the materials are good quality, and they're well put together. But there is something odd about the decoration- it's the same on TH, LotR and Silm, but it's the runic legend 'Stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks' which really only applies to TH.
There's an error with one of the runes, too.
There's an error with one of the runes, too.
Can you say a little more about this error? I have to confess I'm not a Tolkien rune expert, but if they are selling these books all these years with an error on the cover it would find it funny (I have a sick sense of humor)
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On quality - I agree that these are really well made - good quality leather, Smyth-sewn, 22kt gilt and accents.
Also, one thing I neglected to mention in the guide page (updated now) is that the maps are laid-in rather than tipped-in. In other words, this is one of the few editions where the maps are not attached, so you can easily remove them while reading (or lose them, so beware when buying used).
For the rune error, here is a good post on the topic:
http://eastonpress.blogspot.com/2011/ ... ng-book-by-its-cover.html
Here is an image of the runes as they should be (working away from books, sorry this is dragging out - please correct me if I am wrong!)
It looks like the fourth rune on the second line of the Easton Hobbit is wrong - it should look like a capital H with two horizontal bars, but instead is just two vertical bars. Also, the fifth rune on the fourth line on the Easton Hobbit is drawn as the prior one should have been, when instead it should look like a capital C.
And one more edit/note: the rune on the bottom of the book in the box ("Th" with dots) is the signature of Thrain (the map has that rune twice, one for Thror and Thrain, the creators of the map, plus the second moon runes added by Thrain and discussed here).
Also, one thing I neglected to mention in the guide page (updated now) is that the maps are laid-in rather than tipped-in. In other words, this is one of the few editions where the maps are not attached, so you can easily remove them while reading (or lose them, so beware when buying used).
For the rune error, here is a good post on the topic:
http://eastonpress.blogspot.com/2011/ ... ng-book-by-its-cover.html
"Stand by the grey stone when the thrush kn" and the bottom set reads "Of Durin's day will shine upon the keyhole". The same set of runes top and bottom appear on the back cover. I'm pleased that Easton decided to incorporate the dwarven runes into their cover design, but it is unfortunate that they chose a long piece of text and had to cut the middle out of it. For those who are curious, the full text that they are quoting is "Stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks and the setting sun with the light of Durin's day will shine upon the keyhole". Its a line that is pretty integral to the plot but its too bad that it got cut in the middle, perhaps they could have had it continue on to the back so the whole phrase would fit or use the other shorter dwarven quote from the map, "Five feet high the door and three may walk abreast - Th. Th." This would likely have fit on the cover and could have been repeated on the back. At the bottom of the cover is a rune resembling the "Th" rune with two dots on other sides surrounded by a box. I do not recognise this rune and if anyone has any insight into what this represents please let me know in the comments.
Here is an image of the runes as they should be (working away from books, sorry this is dragging out - please correct me if I am wrong!)
It looks like the fourth rune on the second line of the Easton Hobbit is wrong - it should look like a capital H with two horizontal bars, but instead is just two vertical bars. Also, the fifth rune on the fourth line on the Easton Hobbit is drawn as the prior one should have been, when instead it should look like a capital C.
And one more edit/note: the rune on the bottom of the book in the box ("Th" with dots) is the signature of Thrain (the map has that rune twice, one for Thror and Thrain, the creators of the map, plus the second moon runes added by Thrain and discussed here).
Ah, that's not the one I meant. The one I mean occurs on the second line down on the cover of the book; fourth rune from the left. It's meant to look like a capital 'H', with two slanting crossbars, but the crossbars are missing, leaving two vertical lines resembling two capital 'I's.
It's just an odd thing...
It's just an odd thing...
Sorry garm, you are correct - I was in the midst of correcting and updaing my post when you replied!
I have dusted off a copy of the Hobbit and compared the runes on the map with those on the cover of Easton's. It looks like Easton press has it correct in the two spots you mention Urulókë.
The errors (or differences) are on the second line.
1. Between the "M" and the "P" is a dot on my map, and two vertical bars on the Easton Press cover
2. Also after the same "P" as mentioned ad 1. there is a rune missing on the Easton Press cover
The errors (or differences) are on the second line.
1. Between the "M" and the "P" is a dot on my map, and two vertical bars on the Easton Press cover
2. Also after the same "P" as mentioned ad 1. there is a rune missing on the Easton Press cover
And of course as mentioned the middle section is missing (intentionally).
Maybe we should mail Easton Press and they will correct it implying a second edition
Maybe we should mail Easton Press and they will correct it implying a second edition
Can you provide an image of your copy, SonOfDolf? I think I understand what you are saying, but there are two occurances of M & P on that line, so I am not 100% sure...
Also, here is another image that clearly shows the first rune (on the second line) as having been corrected:
The fourth line still appears to have the wrong rune. I found a better image (more accurate ) to show what I am talking about.
I have marked the rune in question. Note that it is not the same rune as the one in blue, but Easton's is appears to be the same. Can you confirm? it is hard to tell from just cover scans, perhaps the right side of the Easton rune is not vertically connected, which would make it correct.
Also, here is another image that clearly shows the first rune (on the second line) as having been corrected:
The fourth line still appears to have the wrong rune. I found a better image (more accurate ) to show what I am talking about.
I have marked the rune in question. Note that it is not the same rune as the one in blue, but Easton's is appears to be the same. Can you confirm? it is hard to tell from just cover scans, perhaps the right side of the Easton rune is not vertically connected, which would make it correct.
In my copy the 4th and the 5th rune on the second line are switched. This from a 2nd impression of the 1976 Allen&Unwin deluxe edition. Will update with an image soon.
Here it is:
Here it is:
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Reading from this link
http://mulubinba.typepad.com/ra_viewe ... f/2011/04/thrors-map.html
it looks like my map is correct!
Stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks, and the setting sun with the last light will shine on Durin's Day will shine upon the key-hole
"when" - the rune for w is a "P"
........
edit: I'm confused now because I checked another Hobbit (2004) and the runes are on the back of the map in mirror writing but taking that into account the order is the same as the Easton Press order.
edit 2: found this info: "Tolkien’s use of the runic alphabet is pretty
straightforward, but there is some variation between a strictly letter-for-letter transliteration (as in FIUE (‘five’) in which the silent ‘e’ is preserved)
and a more phonetic approach (for example,DoR for ‘door’ rather thanDooR). Also notable in the moon-letters is the use ofHWEN (‘hwen’) for ‘when’,
which follows Old English usage."
So in conclusion
1. the 1976 Hobbit is wrong after all.
2. Easton press has the right order, but there is a version of their Hobbit where the runic "H" is missing the middle bar
http://mulubinba.typepad.com/ra_viewe ... f/2011/04/thrors-map.html
it looks like my map is correct!
Stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks, and the setting sun with the last light will shine on Durin's Day will shine upon the key-hole
"when" - the rune for w is a "P"
........
edit: I'm confused now because I checked another Hobbit (2004) and the runes are on the back of the map in mirror writing but taking that into account the order is the same as the Easton Press order.
edit 2: found this info: "Tolkien’s use of the runic alphabet is pretty
straightforward, but there is some variation between a strictly letter-for-letter transliteration (as in FIUE (‘five’) in which the silent ‘e’ is preserved)
and a more phonetic approach (for example,DoR for ‘door’ rather thanDooR). Also notable in the moon-letters is the use ofHWEN (‘hwen’) for ‘when’,
which follows Old English usage."
So in conclusion
1. the 1976 Hobbit is wrong after all.
2. Easton press has the right order, but there is a version of their Hobbit where the runic "H" is missing the middle bar