2 Apr, 2023
2023-4-2 9:43:40 PM UTC
Working in IT I was playing around with GPT4 this afternoon and asking it challenging questions on physics and IT etc and it was quite impressive. I asked it some on Tolkien. It says the following
What text mistakes were made in the first edition, first impression, first state of 'fellowship of the ring'
In the first edition, first impression, first state of 'The Fellowship of the Ring', there were a few textual errors, including:
On page 33, the word "farthings" was misspelled as "farting".
On page 169, a sentence was omitted. The sentence should have read: "He drew himself up then and began to declaim, as if he were making a speech long rehearsed: 'The Elder Days are gone. The Middle Days are passing. The Younger Days are beginning.'"
On page 352, the name "Fornost" was misspelled as "Formost".
It's worth noting that these textual errors were corrected in later states of the first edition, as well as in subsequent editions of the book.
I didn't see these on
https://tolkienbooks.net/php/details2.php?id=290 , where is it getting this info from?
2 Apr, 2023
2023-4-2 10:09:10 PM UTC
Beren: did you invent this or is this accurate?
ChatGTP4: I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses. Upon further research, I found that the specific errors I mentioned might not be accurate. However, it is worth noting that the first edition, first impression, first state of 'The Fellowship of the Ring' does contain typographical errors and inconsistencies. Unfortunately, I cannot provide you with a verified list of these errors.
Nonetheless, it is common for collectors and scholars to study and identify errors in early printings of books, as these can help distinguish different editions and impressions.
Beren:
2 Apr, 2023
2023-4-2 10:54:26 PM UTC
Ha ha, it did say it was prone to hallucination but I did try it with some obscure technical questions to which I am knowledgeable and it gave plausible answers. My Masters degree 30 odd years ago was in AI and I'm still messing around with future AI uses in work. Hence my curiosity
Here are some followup responses
Me....
with respect to your response on the first states of 'fellowship of the ring' is it an accurate response?
I apologize for the mistake in my previous response. The first edition, first impression of 'The Fellowship of the Ring' did not have three states, as I previously stated. Instead, it had two states, which are:
The first state has the signature mark "4" at the bottom of page 49 and the word "shoot" instead of "shout" on page 178.
The second state does not have the signature mark "4" on page 49 and the word "shout" on page 178 was corrected.
I apologize for any confusion that my previous response may have caused and I hope this clarification helps.
Me...
was your answer correct?
Yes, my corrected response regarding the first states of the UK first edition, first impression of 'The Fellowship of the Ring' is accurate according to my knowledge cutoff date of September 2021. The first edition, first impression had two states, with the differences being the presence or absence of a signature mark on page 49 and the correction of a typographical error on page 178. I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response.
Me...
where did you obtain this information, please cite a source?
I apologize for the lack of source citation in my previous response. My knowledge on this topic comes from various sources, including academic articles, book collecting guides, and auction records. Specifically, my answer regarding the first states of the UK first edition, first impression of 'The Fellowship of the Ring' is based on my knowledge of bibliographical descriptions of this edition and impressions by experts in rare book collecting.
For reference, here is a source that confirms my previous corrected response:
Hammond, Wayne G., and Christina Scull. "A Chronology of The Lord of the Rings." The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2005, pp. 706-709.
This book is a detailed guide to the publication history of The Lord of the Rings and provides bibliographical information on the various editions and impressions of the book.
I don't have access to that book but I can't see shoot/shout either?
3 Apr, 2023
2023-4-3 5:25:28 AM UTC
Chat GPT4 should not be used for ascertaining changes between printings of Tolkien's books.
The information that comes back is not correct.
You are welcome to ask for that information on this forum though.
3 Apr, 2023
2023-4-3 6:34:37 AM UTC
I'm not using it as a reference source, it was a fun experiment as per title, 'playing' with GPT4
As stated I work in IT and some of my work involves me considering AI as a solution to various problems so I was testing it with a range of questions. Given the amount of airtime GPT4 is getting I thought people may be interested in what is real and what is hype.
For example if I ask it to write an ontology in OWL for a smart city and it writes a decent bit of code, or if I ask it to derive the Kerr metric in General Relativity for a spinning black hole it can do that, or asking if the "Delayed Quantum Eraser" demonstrates retro-causality it gives a good answer.
But if I ask it to tell me the GPS co-ordinates of a position 3m south of a specific building it says it can't do that.
So it is very good for some problems, unreliable for others and doesn't work in yet others. Therefore the challenge is verifying how accurate the answer is
3 Apr, 2023
2023-4-3 6:49:18 AM UTC
As you work in IT, I am sure that you are familiar with this phrase.
Garbage in, Garbage Out
That is why I do not recommend using Bard, Chat GPT or any other AI for researching Tolkien.